That is the only thing it can be, as I read from a story in InformationWeek that says Indian officials, the President will meet next week, will be trying to convince him outsourcing is good for both economies.

My thoughts there would have to include, “What non-Euclidean frame of reference are we using to posit that one?”

Indian officials will look to convince President Obama—who begins a 10-day swing through Asia Friday and whose campaign included pledges to keep more jobs in the U.S.—that both the U.S. and India can prosper by increasing outsourcing and bilateral trade in general.

Ministers from Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s cabinet will stress to their counterparts in the administration that they believe commercial ties between India and the U.S. are a two-way street that offers mutual benefits.

"The fact is that there is outward investment from India into the U.S. economy, which is creating jobs, which is something we would like to convey to President Obama and his delegation," said Indian foreign secretary Nirupama Rao, at a press conference Thursday.

What? Could they be referring to the one or two suppliers of Jaguar accessories, which are now used on cars owned by Tata of India? Other than that, my mind, and computer search screen, is a blank.

Many Fortune 500 companies in recent years have outsourced tech and back office operations to India through service providers like Wipro, TCS, and Infosys. But the practice has become increasingly controversial of late as unemployment in the U.S. remains high and the economic recovery stutters. In September, Ohio officials banned the outsourcing of state contracts to offshore vendors.

I am usually critical of anything coming from Ohio, based on the behavior of its inhabitants, but in this case, I agree wholeheartedly.

But Indian officials will tell Obama and his delegation that the diaspora of Indian professionals with advanced skills in IT, business, and other high-demand areas to the U.S. has helped the American economy. They’ll also note that many Indian service providers have established U.S. subsidiaries that hire American workers.

So, let’s see, the Indian government sending immigrants here to take IT jobs, among others, is a good reason why we should cut out the trip, the taxes collected, the possible citizenship ritual, and simply send the jobs there?  This has to be some of the most convoluted logic I’ve ever seen put forth. (It just might appeal to those newly elected, clear thinkers in Congress!)

"Recent studies have shown that thousands of jobs have been created by our green field investments, by our active positions in the U.S. That’s something we would definitely like to stress," said Rao.

Point of procedure on this one. I’d like to see  some citations here.

Obama needs to walk a fine line on the outsourcing issue. If he opens the door to more U.S. jobs going overseas, he’ll be seen as reneging on his campaign promises. But if he’s too protectionist on the matter, he’ll draw fire from a newly emboldened, pro-business Republican party that scored sweeping victories in Tuesday’s midterm elections to gain control of the House.

Obama’s trip to India will include a private dinner with Singh, where outsourcing and other bilateral and regional issues will be on the menu.

I expect that the President will be very polite and use every opportunity to change the subject. At least I hope he will. There is no reason to offend, but also no reason to listen to such utter nonsense and capitulate either.

Looking at the article further, and noticing a comment by someone identified only as sng71, I can’t help but think he is one of those displaced workers (that’s the PC term, anyway) who got a raw deal because he made too much, and sending his job to India made economic sense for his employer.

The idea of the growth of India’s and other third world economies at the cost of our own is what is at stake here.

Buying planes from us which are then outsourced for production does not grow the American economy it grows another country’s economy and the bottom line of what we laughingly call "American Based" corporations.

So, India buys a plane from XYZ American Based Company in America, They then outsource the work to their workforce, 90 percent of whom are located overseas, the 54000 jobs you are supporting are now down to 5400 with the rest being sent to China, Germany, Brasil, Egypt, Poland, etc…and the profits for these American based companies are soaring. Thus creating what we have now, a stock market that’s never been higher and a workforce that hasn’t seen this much unemployment since the great depression.

I’m sorry if India doesn’t see the harsh reality of the actions of these corporations, but the reality is it’s the Job of the Corporation to make a profit, it’s the job of the American Government to protect their tax base.

Free trade means, we get to trade into a country at the same rate they trade with our country. The idea being supply and demand will raise the profits of all employees and housing and monetary costs would be about equal, in the case of an inequality, taxes and tariffs are put in place to ensure that there is an equal playing field.

I’m sorry if India doesn’t like these restrictions, but since they have repeatedly pointed out that they provide a better IT product and service, the demand for a better product at an equal price should mean they will win contracts regardless. They just won’t have their current price advantage.

We’ve had 10 years to see the theoretical economists version of 2 jobs for every 1 created. We’ve lost over 18,000,000 jobs to outsourcing in those 10 years, there should be 36,000,000 new jobs here in the US. There obviously isn’t with an adjusted unemployment rate of over 21%.

It’s not often that such intelligent commenting is seen, in any publication, and I must say I agree with everything this person has said. I especially like the paragraph about India’s boasting about the quality of its workforce – if they are that good, they’ll do fine without intervention of any kind.

Then, another comment by someone identified as Wakjob –

Companies ruined or almost ruined by India, Inc.:

Adaptec – Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.

AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)

AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).

Apple R&D CLOSED in India in 2006

Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)

Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)

Caymas – Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.

ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int

Dell – call center (closed in India because Premji’s conmen don’t even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)

Delta call centers (closed in India because Premji’s conmen don’t even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)

Fannie Mae- Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty.

GM – Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later

HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)

Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)

Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)

Microsoft – Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it’s lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.

MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)

PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).

Qantas – See AirBus above

Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)

Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 3 Quantas planes in 2010).

Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)

State of Indiana $867 billion FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued

State of Texas failed IBM project.

Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, has to be sold off to Oracle).

United – call center (closed in India because Premji’s conmen don’t even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)

Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)

World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

I could post the whole list here but I don’t want to crash any servers.


I have not the time nor the inclination to verify every assertion of this commenter, but after a quick scan, I see at least six in the list I know are true and correct. (but you get the idea that this is not some pinhead just venting, the clues about programming let us know he tends to know of what he speaks.)

That’s at least 6 sources to refute the idea that anything that has been done, or will be done with India is a WIN-WIN.

To that I might add the lovely Verizon 1st and 2nd level tech support, using Indians identifying as “Bob”, Bill”, or John”, with that singsong cadence to their voice which coupled with the various filters, satellite delays, and their own nescience proves to be a continuing joy for me whenever I have to get help for a DSL outage, whether it is a customer’s or mine. 

Yes, have a lovely trip, Mr. President. Bring us back some pictures.